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The Spirit Underground:

Conversations on Liberation Podcast

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Where love and truth intersect.

The Spirit Underground podcast features dynamic discussions involving plant medicine, Black liberation theology, collective healing, radical growth, white supremacy, social justice, and so much more.

Join us for sometimes difficult, always enlightening conversations.


Spring Washam

Considered a pioneer in bringing mindfulness-based meditation practices to diverse communities, Spring Washam is a well-known teacher, healer, and visionary leader based in Oakland, California.

She is the author of A Fierce Heart: Finding Strength, Courage and Wisdom in Any Moment and The Spirit of Harriet Tubman: Awakening from the Underground.

Spring is one of the founding teachers at the East Bay Meditation Center, an organization that offers Buddhist teachings with attention to social action and multiculturalism. She is a member of the teacher’s council at Spirit Rock Meditation Center, offering teachings on Buddhist philosophy, Insight meditation and loving-kindness practices. Spring is also the founder of Lotus Vine Journeys, a one-of-a-kind organization that blends indigenous healing practices with Buddhist wisdom for transformative retreats in South America.

She has practiced and studied Buddhist philosophy in both the Theravada and Tibetan schools of Buddhism since 1999. Spring is also a shamanic practitioner and has studied indigenous healing practices since 2008.

Spring’s workshops, interviews, and writing can be found in mainstream media worldwide.

Lama Rod Owens

Known as the Black Buddhist Southern Queen—and a highly sought-after Buddhist minister, author, activist, yoga instructor, and authorized Lama in the Kagyu School of Tibetan Buddhism—Lama Rod Owens is an international influencer.

He has a Master of Divinity degree in Buddhist Studies from Harvard Divinity School, focusing on the intersection of social change, identity, and spiritual practice.

Lama Rod is the author of Love and Rage: The Path of Liberation Through Anger and co-author of Radical Dharma: Talking Race, Love, and Liberation.

Applauded for his mastery in balancing weighty topics with a sense of lightness while still speaking truth to power, this Queen has been featured by CNN, Good Moring America, BBC, The Washington Post, PBS, NPR, Ebony, and more.

In 2018, Lama Rod co-founded Bhumisparsha, a spiritual community with a mission of making tantra accessible and inclusive for North American practitioners. He’s also the co-founder of Dharma Queens, a series of conversations on Instagram Live with sister sadada, to help people get freer faster. His teachings center on freedom, self-expression, and radical self-care.

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